Re: 驳《Twitter暴政》
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February 8th, 2010 |
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Tags: Google, twitter, 中国, 民主
thriller32的原文在这里
即使他不写《驳<Twitter的暴政>》，我大概也会写一篇文章来注解。
我相信大部分的怒火都是源于一个误解。
我在前文中说Twitter的“暴政”，是从民主的暴政借用过来，Twitter不是一种政治制度，至多只能叫暴力，而非暴政。
而且我说“苗头”，也是在暗示这种暴力的实际危害刚刚发生或还没发生，被众人认为是杞人忧天，那也是不可避免的事情。
但有些人总是喜欢自证，不信可以参考前文的留言。
两年前，在我写我反对,北京奥运会之后，也被这样攻击过，有趣的是，这水火不相容的两拨人的语言和思维方式却是如此相似。
当然，大部分留言者都是理智的。
比较多的一种观点是“我不过是在网上围观一下他们，他们才是掌握着国家机器，可以随时让我去喝茶的家伙。”
势力薄弱不应该成为暴力的理由。
至于说苏格拉底到底是支持民主还是反对民主，我确实没有仔细的研究过。
仅仅是根据这篇文章，在Google中的摘要得出的结论。
但是现在想来，即使苏格拉底是反对民主的，用他的例子也不为错。
民主并不是被设计成只有民主的支持者才能生存下去的制度。
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February 8th, 2010 at 9:53 PM (#) 引用
[中国特色。NET] Re: 驳《Twitter暴政》: thriller32的原文在这里 即使他不写《驳》，我大概也会写一篇文章来注解。 我相信大部分的怒火都是源… http://goo.gl/fb/613G
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February 8th, 2010 at 11:35 PM (#) 引用
离开党给你的一贯正确的环境你就变的无比脆弱了,删贴和被围观是不一样的,虽然你和谐和沐浴党阳光的心灵对两者的感知可能是一样的,言论自由的情况下你有说愚蠢言论的自由,但是要做好被反驳的准备,而不要一被反驳就好像祖宗十八代的帖子都被删干净了一样,
言论自由的核心(也许你看不懂)
烦你这种没搞清楚基本问题就出来喷的,但是我不会投票赞成禁止你喷的法案
如果人家的回应涉及到了你母亲和你的器官,请从道德和文风方面论证,别动不动就暴政暴政的,忠党爱国的要么高官,要么就没深切体会过什么叫暴政
February 8th, 2010 at 11:51 PM (#) 引用
又中又庸不代表你理性，更不是一种优越的生活方式。
伊朗公开否认大屠杀的事实，然后要把以色列从地图上抹掉，结果不招人待见，是大家暴政了它对吧？所以他核武有理的对吧？
如果围观你的人留的言是“我反对你的观点并且觉得你应该被嘲笑”
你是否会好受点？那请你就当“TWITTER观光团”是上一行话的翻译好了。
目前问题不是人家对你语言暴力，是你被反对以后就娇嗔，硬要说自己被语言暴力
我看得一地鸡皮疙瘩，感慨你拉低了人类认知能力的平均数
February 9th, 2010 at 12:02 AM (#) 引用
你相信你的信仰的话，在没人取缔你的情况下你大胆说就是了，面对质疑反对就挫折得好像被人禁言了，根本没有再推进再辩论的打算，那是你自己懦弱，停止发言的决定是你做出的，不是我们强力禁止你。法律规定我们不能辱骂你和造你谣，但我们自称twitter观光团又触犯你哪点自由？
我最鄙视一种人，当现实和预想不一样的时候就千方百计找被人的错来为自己找安慰的人。
February 9th, 2010 at 1:40 AM (#) 引用
感谢回应，我的观点已经在前文表述清楚了，没必要再继续回应。
至于孰对孰错，观众自会评断。
也或许根本就没有对错。
February 9th, 2010 at 11:31 PM (#) 引用
我来围观twitter的“我知道真相我优越”党=w=
支持博主~~
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February 25th, 2010 at 3:41 AM (#) 引用
This is why I HATE being an "American" – we came here and stole the land from the people who had it first – spread disease – and now we want to regulate who can and cannot come into this country. We have wipped ENTIRE tribes of people out with disease that we brought with us – then we rounded up those that were left and stuck them on "reservations" and gave them trailers and said here be happy were "giving" you this land. This truely makes me sick to my stomach that we our government can’t help our own people while we are helping other countries with millions possibly billions of dollars in government aide. I too have Native American blood in me, but then again alot of the Native/First Nation people didn’t have a choose but to "breed" with the "pale faces" (to quote Jacob Black), it was the only way to keep there family alive. I have it on both sides but not enough to claim it – but that’s not even my point!! My Uncle (by marriage) is full blooded Cherokkee and his family lives in poverty in NC – having to turn to selling drugs to make a living – its just wrong!! I have always been against the treatment of Native/First Nation people and is one of the main reason I hate to call myself an "American" even though I was not one of the Pilgrims to come over and steal the land I still have some of them in my genes. Americans have this higher then though attitude about them and anyone different from them doesn’t deserve the time of time. We liars and thiefs!!
OK I’m done! Sorry I soo had to get that off my chest!!
I signed my letter and made a donation!
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February 25th, 2010 at 3:41 AM (#) 引用
This is why I HATE being an "American" – we came here and stole the land from the people who had it first – spread disease – and now we want to regulate who can and cannot come into this country. We have wipped ENTIRE tribes of people out with disease that we brought with us – then we rounded up those that were left and stuck them on "reservations" and gave them trailers and said here be happy were "giving" you this land. This truely makes me sick to my stomach that we our government can’t help our own people while we are helping other countries with millions possibly billions of dollars in government aide. I too have Native American blood in me, but then again alot of the Native/First Nation people didn’t have a choose but to "breed" with the "pale faces" (to quote Jacob Black), it was the only way to keep there family alive. I have it on both sides but not enough to claim it – but that’s not even my point!! My Uncle (by marriage) is full blooded Cherokkee and his family lives in poverty in NC – having to turn to selling drugs to make a living – its just wrong!! I have always been against the treatment of Native/First Nation people and is one of the main reason I hate to call myself an "American" even though I was not one of the Pilgrims to come over and steal the land I still have some of them in my genes. Americans have this higher then though attitude about them and anyone different from them doesn’t deserve the time of time. We’re liars and thiefs!!
OK I’m done! Sorry I soo had to get that off my chest!!
I signed my letter and made a donation!
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February 25th, 2010 at 3:55 AM (#) 引用
Note the link on their site that allows you to send emails/letters to your state representatives regarding this issue. It took less than 60 seconds to fill it out!
I have great respect for the native tribes in my state, and would hope that our representatives would speak out in a similar manner.
Imagine if more time in DC was spent discussing legitimate needs like this; no hidden attachments and agendas.
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:15 AM (#) 引用
Unfortunately what the US government is doing is so surprise to me. I live on the Tuscarora Nation near Niagara Falls NY and I’ve heard this all my life. I’m glad it’s being brought to light by some of my favorite people and hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. Its about time the US government gave something back!
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:19 AM (#) 引用
slow news day!
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:37 AM (#) 引用
There are too many people suffering right here in America. I agree. While it is understandable and noble that we wish to help other nations, we need to focus on ourselves first. That is all I will say because I know that I will get too angry to stop and this is where I come to feel happy.
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February 25th, 2010 at 5:26 AM (#) 引用
Oh Miss Kitty! I’ve missed you so much! PLEASE come back to twitter. I miss hearing about you & the BF.
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February 25th, 2010 at 5:30 AM (#) 引用
I agree there is no “true” freedom in the world. We are all controlled. We need laws and regulations or there would be chaos. There is always a black, dark, dirty side and white, bright, clean side and yes sometimes there is gray. I am of Native American descent but I am from not from just one tribal nation but many and each is so water down with my Irish, Walsh, English, French, German, Russian, and Scottish Polish and so on. I am proud of my heritage. My paternal side has more Native American blood. There is a story that is pass on from generation to generation of my great-great-great-great great don’t know how many greats grandmother who was part of a tribe nation in PA was raped by a “white man” in front of her husband, her children and her tribe during raid by the French during the French Indian War. She became with child and that’s who my family and I descent from. There are so many tales of “white woman” being taken by Native Americans and never returning in our history books and being taught in our history course but stories like my great——–great grandmother are being omitted from these courses and books. Most of time we are only getting taught one sided history. And with history there are multiple sides. I am proud to be an American because even though there is no “true” freedom we still have more than most in the world. At the same time I regret the decisions of the past and present. The US government, our government should be helping those who live here legally first whether they are Native American, Black, Asian, Hispanic, White and etc. They need to hurry the f*** up and help Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. $h*t like this pisses me off.
Sorry for the rant. It seems to be a daily thing on here for me. :)
I too my letter and made a donation. ready for the mail tomorrow.
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February 25th, 2010 at 5:30 AM (#) 引用
I agree there is no “true” freedom in the world. We are all controlled. We need laws and regulations or there would be chaos. There is always a black, dark, dirty side and white, bright, clean side and yes sometimes there is gray. I am of Native American descent but I am from not from just one tribal nation but many and each is so water down with my Irish, Walsh, English, French, German, Russian, and Scottish Polish and so on. I am proud of my heritage. My paternal side has more Native American blood. There is a story that is pass on from generation to generation of my great-great-great-great great don’t know how many greats grandmother who was part of a tribe nation in PA was raped by a “white man” in front of her husband, her children and her tribe during raid by the French during the French Indian War. She became with child and that’s who my family and I descent from. There are so many tales of “white woman” being taken by Native Americans and never returning in our history books and being taught in our history course but stories like my great——–great grandmother are being omitted from these courses and books. Most of time we are only getting taught one sided history. And with history there are multiple sides. I am proud to be an American because even though there is no “true” freedom we still have more than most in the world. At the same time I regret the decisions of the past and present. The US government, our government should be helping those who live here legally first whether they are Native American, Black, Asian, Hispanic, White and etc. They need to hurry the f*** up and help Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe or Shift the Power. $h*t like this pisses me off. The government can be so slow sometimes.
Sorry for the rant. It seems to be a daily thing on here for me. :)
I too my letter and made a donation. ready for the mail tomorrow.
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February 25th, 2010 at 5:51 AM (#) 引用
Wow!! Some of you guys are really angry. I can’t speak from what you all have experienced personally, but I can tell you from my personal experience that I feel my family has been treated pretty well. My husband is half Native American. Some of the perks for his tribe, if you would call them that, are: 100% free college tuition, quarterly checks, free acres of land and various loan program perks. That’s what I know about. There is probably a lot more that I’m just not aware of. As I am as white as they come our son is only 1/4 Native American and retains all the same perks if he were to choose to participate.
These benefits are set up to filter all the way down to those that are 1/8 Native American. That means that my grandchildren can have free college tuition!! Not everyone can say that. Maybe I’m just a glass-half-full kind of person, but I just respectfully don’t feel the same as everyone else.
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February 25th, 2010 at 6:08 AM (#) 引用
I just sighed the petition it literally took less then a min. but you know what such I was the first on from my state to send a letter, step it up CT
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February 25th, 2010 at 6:17 AM (#) 引用
I’m with you, too, LWNV. –Haven’t logged in for quite a while, but as soon as I read this I knew I had to comment to help provide a voice to this cause and to this post, as well. :)
I hope we will all do what we can to help. I clicked on the link that Jaypat provided above, found the letter to send to Congress, signed it and sent it right off to the congressmen and woman representing my state.
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February 25th, 2010 at 6:27 AM (#) 引用
Native American are US citizen (US GOV. made this decision in 1924, much to many Native American surprise) and they are entitled to rights as citizen. This just start a major discussion in class.
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February 25th, 2010 at 6:39 AM (#) 引用
There is nothing on that website that indicates the organization was set up just to assist Native Americans. With that said and with the assumption that the following statement from the website is a broad, generalized statement, I have to say – no thank you.
"We must join together to bring a GLOBAL SOCIETY founded on respect for nature, universal human rights, economic justice and a culture of peace." [emphasis mine]
On its face, I agree with the premise of shifting the power back to the people; after all, that was how this country was founded. But unfortunately, we are too far gone in many respects to ever truly get back the power that should be ours. That said, I believe that Native Americans should be allowed to exercise far more rights than they are currently. It’s a travesty.
But since I come here to feed my Twilight fix and I don’t want to get all political, I’ll leave it at that.
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February 25th, 2010 at 7:20 AM (#) 引用
I just met Alex on Saturday. :D He’s a sweetie!!!
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February 25th, 2010 at 11:55 AM (#) 引用
Yes, they are so awesome. I am so proud of them to step up and do this. Shows what great character they all have.
We all need to go to this site and to send an email to our congressmen, and if possible, pay $9.00 to have letters mailed in our names.
The Sioux are a beautiful people, who have been mistreated time and time again by our government. So wrong…
I have gone to the site and sent in my emails, and forwarded the info to 4 other friends, so that maybe they will sign, too. I challenge all of my fellow Twifans to do the same.
And just as a side… Chaske has an AWESOME voice. Very sexy…I wish he talked more in NM…
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:18 PM (#) 引用
i know! their born in poverty, live in poverty, and die in poverty! how the **** are they supposed to pick up the pieces when the government won’t help and isolates them from white america?!
pisses me off! sure they have their land back but it only accounts for less than 1 percent of what their ancestors had!
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:20 PM (#) 引用
exactly. we don’t even help ourselves and those who aren’t native americans. you know how many homeless people there are in the great US of A?? 8 million i believe! and its only gotten worse since the recession started 2 years ago!
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:22 PM (#) 引用
well they don’t want money but if they need it i’ll gladly send a dollar. its all i can afford sadly.
i already signed the letter to my congressmen. :)
sometimes it pisses me off there are more comments in other posts but way less in these kinds where we should help and focus most of our positive energy in worthy causes. i don’t mean to offend anyone i just wonder how many people actually read this and do something about it?
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:24 PM (#) 引用
its spent on giving bonuses to the heads of corporations and wall street bankers.
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:33 PM (#) 引用
wow. really? why didnt anyone stop him? i think rape is the worst kind of pain a woman can go through.
"The government can be so slow sometimes." nah they just dont care, not even for the white people.
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:34 PM (#) 引用
"The government can be so slow sometimes." nah they just dont care, not even for the white people.
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:35 PM (#) 引用
they didnt just spread disease but kicked them out of their own lad and put them somewhere else while raping and beating those on the way. its called the trail of tears.
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February 25th, 2010 at 4:38 PM (#) 引用
without the attachments and agendas added on bills, things would be passed much more slowly. did you know they add in stuff that most congressmen dont agree with into bill at the last minute when no one has read it? cos most dont read the whole bill cos their like bibles! so when they pass a bill and realize something else was added and passed their like: wtf? i dont remember reading that. oops.
i hate the fact that the way we live everything has to be done yesterday!
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February 26th, 2010 at 1:35 AM (#) 引用
No they couldnt stop him the french had the upper hand. It was back in 1756 or 1757 i believe. the story says there were about 100 "whitemen" there and it was a gang rape with 10 to 20 men. I know it was crueliest of human nature. and to have your family watch. it was horrible. the story is passed down as a lesson of sorts. its one of the darkest part of my family history.
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